Ariel KyDear Tanaka-Sakai, Actually I think it's possible that the Cheonan was hit by friendly fire, although I suspected that it was from her sister corvette, the Sokcho, in one of those mishaps that can happen in live fire military exercises simulating actual war conditions. How did you establish that Operation Foal Eagle was prolonged until April 30? I had wondered if it was still being carried out when the Cheonan sank. Also, can you tell the difference between a nuclear-powered submarine and a submarine carrying nuclear warheads? I did a little fact-checking to verify an important part of your story, the part about the USS Columbia, the American submarine that supposedly sank, according to your speculations in this article.. Here's what I found: USS Columbia Returns to Pearl Harbor_By MC2(SW/AW/SCW) Ronald Gutridge_COMSUBPAC Public Affairs Release Date: 05/03/2010 PEARL HARBOR, Hawaii Los Angeles-class fast-attack nuclear powered submarine USS Columbia (SSN 771) returned to Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam Monday, May 3, following a six-month deployment to the western Pacific region. “This was an incredibly successful deployment from completing tasking important to national interests, to engaging our allies in a positive environment.” said Cmdr. Craig Blakely, Commanding Officer, USS Columbia. “Columbia performed superbly, demonstrating the versatility of the U.S. fast attack submarine.” “Almost 70% of the Columbia crew was on their first deployment, but you would never know from their performance,” said Blakely. “I am extremely proud of the conduct of the crew. Whether playing soccer against our fellow submariners in South Korea or keeping the ship safe during stressful deployed operations, everyone was professional.” Columbia, commissioned in 1995, was the last 688-class submarine to be built at Electric Boat Shipyard in Groton, CT. This submarine is one of the most versatile ships in the world, capable of numerous types of missions in a myriad of regions including long range Tomahawk strike operations, anti-submarine and surface ship tracking operations, surveillance and intelligence gathering, and even Special Forces insertions.
Arthur BorgesUm Ariel, a nuclear-powered vessel is one that uses a nuclear reactor to turn the propellors, light up light bulbs and do other cool stuff that needs electricity. A vessel carrying nuclear weapons is anything schlepping bombs around an ocean regardless of what the engine runs on. Although most commonly, nuclear weapons are carried on nuclear-powered vessels, Israel for example, carries them around in diesel-powered submarines from Germany.
Arthur BorgesAriel, the USS Columbia may well have returned to home port but the third buoy didn't. Moreover the ROK combat diver returned as a body. And so on.
TaihanStill, this whole theory hinges on a second shipwreck. If a US vessel was sunk, then a US vessel must be missing. Unless the vessel was secret, it must have come from somewhere, meaning its absence should have been noticed by now. Even if excuses for that absence have been given, eventually, the families of the crew members will ask for an explanation. You can't cover up the disappearance of an entire sub crew forever. It has been two months already. I am not saying that no other vessel has been sunk, but I am saying that this whole article seems to rely on hearsay and rumors rather than convincing argumentation.
Paul ArensonThe article certainly gives one reason to doubt the official story. However, it can easily lead to a dead end or "9-11 Truth type conspiracy theories unless the left is willing to go beyond this. Much of this is speculation and educated guessing, but it may never be able to be proved. What I mean by going beyond this is addressing the military posturing that is being used to justify a US presence in North East Asia. I am particularly concerned with Okinawa because there has been a blackout in my view in the Japanese media on the role of the Okinawa bases in murdering people in Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Vietnam. US imperial rule goes unquestioned, and even the left tends to focus only on the rapes and the accidents, and not the fact that Japan's bases serve as staging areas for killing people. Thus an uneducated populace will roll over and let Hatoyama and company forcibly take over even more Okinawan land for the bases. I have had a few letters to the Japan Times rejected on this topic whereas others have gotten by. They allow criticism as long as it is not too specific. And when the criticism is of the US, they tend to reject the letters I have sent at least. I have also seen very few letters on this theme by others, wondering if there is an intentional blocking of anything that tells the truth about the bases For sure the Japan Times has CIA connections with the membership of two of its staff-publisher Ogasawara and editor Brad Glossserman in the CSIS Pacific Forum, which included Kissinger and Albright among others. Anyway, I would like to see more people on the left deal with the reality of the US presence in the region. It is my understanding that the Korean left, even though they are closer to any potential flashpoints, is much less accepting of US bases than people in Japan, who have been led to believe that the US presence here protects them. Yet we see very little on this. Of course one does not need to defend North Korea in order to show that military bases do NOT make for a safer South Korea and Japan, at least in my book. But I would like to see someone put this together in relation to the the Okinawa base issue. It is too much of a coincidence that this would happen as the base issue heats up, lending some credence to Tanaka's speculation. Of course, one does not need to reassure the world that North Korea is completely benign to debunk those who point to its behavior as a reason to keep US bases. paul arenson http://tokyoprogressive.org
nick baileyI was a bit surprised by the large chunks of torpedo that were shown as being recovered. Why wasn't it destroyed? But what do I know? The article makes quite a good 'who benefits' case.
Arthur BorgesA discussion forum at Pravda contains postings claiming that an Israeli submarine based in Cam Ranh Bay sank the Cheonan. If the USS Columbia did indeed return normally, perhaps someone should be counting the Israeli submarine fleet? QUOTE Originally Posted by shablon >It has been reported, I do not know if it was true, that an Israeli submarine was in the area, at the time. Israel bases its two submarines >in Kam Rahn Bay Vietnam (?) Pasted from
no-truth-in-newsThe ASIA TIMES had a similar story, comparing the photo of the recovered torpedo with the actual plans of that torpedo according to manufacturing specifications. We are not being told the truth by the U.S. State Department, i.e. Hillary. God help us if some kind of war actually starts over this false flag event. I can't take much more of this madness, I don't know about you.
Satoko NorimatsuEven Washington Post started to talk about the fact that there are different observations and theories about this incident, which is healthy. http://blog.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2010/05/asian_analysts_question_korea_torpedo_incident.html?hpid=news-col-blog Please see more important articles at this link: http://peacephilosophy.blogspot.com/2010/05/very-little-has-reported-in-english-on.html
YON LEENAMGood reasoning. At the initial stage, I read that President Lee demanded North Korea to admit it and apologise to South Korea What?, Just an apology for the loss of a naval warship and so many lives?
Punky BrewsterThe impossibility of all this is that whomever responsible could be murdered if they tried to cover up a friendly-fire incident in the way described. Why would anyone friggin risk their life when they can just say we screwed up. So many died from friendly-fire in Iraq and no one tried to cover up. Why now?
Don McElfreshCould the torpedo have come from a submarine wreck sunk during the Korean War (1951) about 20 miles southwest of the sinking site for the ROKS Cheonan?
Xavier Souto"The impossibility of all this is that whomever responsible could be murdered if they tried to cover up a friendly-fire incident in the way described. Why would anyone friggin risk their life when they can just say we screwed up. So many died from friendly-fire in Iraq and no one tried to cover up. Why now?" It's a psy war, a propaganda war, a false flag operation. http://labitacoradeemilio.blogspot.com/2010/06/al-dia_03.html
Letstry ReasonWeb address (웹 주소): http://korea.true.ws or http://www.seoprise.com/board/view.php?table=seoprise_12&uid=157256 Twitter ID (트위터 아이디): @letstryreason http://twitter.com/letstryreason or http://twtkr.com/letstryreason 영어메일로 세계언론에◇좌초면 사기죄【어뢰면 직무유기죄(수준66) - 생각해보자 2010/06/10 Questions on the Cheonan Incident and the Power of South Korean Netizens by Letstryreason Original: 2010/05/30 version 63(수준63) Updated 업데이트: 2010/06/02,09,10 versions 64~66(수준64)~(수준66) Dear English Reader, A huge number of South Korean citizens of the Internet have been courageously exercising their democratic power by expressing their doubts about the current South Korean regime's version of the Cheonan Incident. Caveat: Under the current South Korean regime, South Korean citizens can be sued for defamation by their own government officials, and defamation in South Korea is a crime (as well as a civil offense) prosecuted by the government's own centrally-controlled national prosecutors who selectively choose or choose not whom to prosecute. For example, recently, S.C. Shin, "a civil[ian] investigator [appointed]recommended by [the South] Korean National Assembly for [the investigation of] the sinking of Cheonan" got (criminally) sued for defamation by a government official for expressing disagreement over the current South Korean regime's version of the Cheonan Incident. Those huge number of South Korean netizens' writings are practically all in Korean, incomprehensible to most English readers in the world; so, I collected the following list of documents written in English for your sake. (Please save my URL Web address and come back later for updates as I may later post here my writings in English and Japanese (and maybe too in French, German and Spanish) as time permits.) *URL Web address: http://www.seoprise.com/board/view.php?table=seoprise_12&uid=157256 or http://korea.true.ws *원문 주소: http://www.seoprise.com/board/view.php?table=seoprise_12&uid=157256 또는 http://korea.true.ws 제가 새 글들을 영어, 일본어(프랑스어, 독일어, 스페인어)와 한글로 원문 주소에 계속 올리고 업데이트를 할테니까 "▶드디어 터졌다!미국 최대 신문이 천안함 의혹 보도" 이 곳의 원문 주소를 기억해 주시고 다시 방문해 주세요. 이 글은, 2010-5-30 10:35 (미국 동부 워싱턴 포스트지 시간으로 May 29, 2010, 09:35 PM)에 원문 주소에 처음 등록되었습니다. I welcome your comments コメント in English, 日本語 or whatever language you wish to write in. Would you like to receive an immediate notification when my article here is updated? Then, please sign up at http://twitter.com or http://twtkr.com, and visit http://twitter.com/letstryreason (My twitter ID is @letstryreason.) 여러분, 지금 트위터에 가입하셔서 (http://twtkr.com에나 http://twitter.com에) 제가 글을 업데이트하면 편리하게 저로부터 연락을 즉시 받도록 하세요. 저의 트위터 주소는 http://twtkr.com/letstryreason 또는 @letstryreason 입니다. It takes time to write up a good translation; so, meanwhile, please use Google Language Tools to read Korean documents: http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en 영어나 일본어로된 기사의 한글 번역을 원하시면 아래 링크에 가서 '웹페이지 번역하기'를 이용하시면 됩니다: http://www.google.co.kr/language_tools?hl=ko 韓国語や英語で書かれている記事の日本語翻訳をご希望の場合は、以下のリンクをクリックして「ウェブページを翻訳する」ことを利用してください。： http://www.google.co.jp/language_tools?hl=ja The following to-numbered links have documents written in English: (세계 언론과 외국인들에게 아래 링크를 보내면, 읽어 볼 수 있게 영어로 되어있습니다:) ☜ 읽어볼거리 1]"[Cheonan Warship Report2] Eight Questions Needing Answers on the Investigation of the Sunken Naval Corvette Cheonan" - People's Solidarity for Participatory Democracy (참여연대) 2010/06/04 http://blog.peoplepower21.org/Peace/31029 2]"[Cheonan Warship Report3] Six Problems on the Investigation Process of the Cheonan Sinking" - People's Solidarity for Participatory Democracy (참여연대) 2010/06/04 http://blog.peoplepower21.org/Peace/31030 3]"[Cheonan Warship Report1] The PSPD's Stance on the Final Investigation Report on the Cheonan" - People's Solidarity for Participatory Democracy(참여연대) 2010/06/04 http://blog.peoplepower21.org/Peace/31028 4]"South Korean religious leaders question conclusions of the Cheonan sinking investigation" - kyle 2010/05/28 - The Presbyterian Church in the Republic of Korea (한국기독교장로회총회 http://prok.or.kr) 2010/05/20 http://www.dmzhawaii.org/?p=7166 5]"The Sinking of the Cheonan: We Are Being Lied To" - Scott Creighton(스콧 크레이튼) 기자 2010/05/24 http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2010/05/24/the-sinking-of-the-cheonan-we-are-being-lied-to/ http://beforeitsnews.com/news/48/745/The_Sinking_of_the_Cheonan:_We_Are_Being_Lied_To.html 6]"PCC-772 Cheonan: An Unacceptable Provocation by the United States of America and the International Community has a Duty To Respond" - Scott Creighton 기자 2010/05/27 http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2010/05/27/pcc-772-cheonan-an-unacceptable-provocation-by-the-united-states-of-america-and-the-international-community-has-a-duty-to-respond/ 7]"German Made Torpedo Sunk South Korean Cheonan" - Scott Creighton 기자 2010/05/22 http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2010/05/22/german-made-torpedo-sunk-south-korean-cheonan/ 8]"Letter to Hillary" - Letstryreason 2010/05/26 (sent by email to Hillary via the U.S. Embassy in Korea at 11:38 AM and via a U.S. address at 10:53 AM; copies of the letter were also sent to the China Embassy in Korea at 11:23 AM and to Obama at 08:53 AM.) (http: *to be released sometime later) (A separate different email from Letstryreason was sent to U.S. Ambassador Stephens at 12:26 PM on 2010/05/28. *"I regard so highly Korea’s most recent election."="저는 한국의 가장 최근 선거를 높이 사고 있습니다." - Kathleen Stephens, U.S. Ambassador to the Republic of Korea 캐슬린 스티븐스(=심은경) 주한 미국대사 2010/06/07 http://cafe.daum.net/usembassy/I2bb/74; (한글) http://cafe.daum.net/usembassy/I2bV/78; http://www.viewsnnews.com/article/view.jsp?seq=64024) 9]"Letter to Hillary Clinton, U.S. Secretary of [S]tate" - 신상철(S.C. Shin, "a civil[ian] investigator recommended[appointed] by [the South] Korean National Assembly for [the investigation of] the sinking of Cheonan") 2010/05/26 http://www.seoprise.com/board/view.php?table=seoprise_12&uid=154146 http://www.militaryspousescholarships.com/military-news/letter-to-hilary-clinton-opinion-about-accident-of-pcc-772.html 10]"U.S. submarine sunk in fact cause [Cheonan] 천안함 침몰 원인이 미군 잠수함이라는 증거" http://bbs1.agora.media.daum.net/gaia/do/debate/read?bbsId=D115&articleId=974306 11]"韓国軍艦「天安」沈没の深層 (한국 군함 “천안”호 침몰의 내막)" - a Japanese news media report http://japanfocus.org/-Tanaka-Sakai/3361 (일본어 원문) http://tanakanews.com/100507korea.htm (한글 번역) http://www.seoprise.com/board/view.php?table=seoprise_12&uid=143720 12]"The Sinking of Cheonan: Another Gulf of Tonkin Incident" - Stephen Gowans 2010/05/20 http://gowans.wordpress.com/2010/05/20/the-sinking-of-the-cheonan-another-gulf-of-tonkin-incident/ 13]Google trends:Gulf of Tonkin before Cheonan "천안함 사건, 미국 개입의 간접증거?(구글검색빈도)" http://www.seoprise.com/board/view.php?table=seoprise_12&uid=155775 14]"What if North Korea didn't fire the torpedo?" - 'Prometheus Bound' 2010/05/21 http://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8387694 15]"Analysts question Korea torpedo incident" - The Washington Post 신문 Jeff Stein(제프 스타인) 기자 2010/05/27 *이메일 주소: email@example.com http://blog.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2010/05/asian_analysts_question_korea_torpedo_incident.html 16]"Beijing suspects false flag attack on South Korean corvette" - Online Journal Wayne Madsen 기자 2010/05/28 *이메일 주소: firstname.lastname@example.org http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_5930.shtml 17]"Questions about Cheonan Sinking - What's Available in English 天安艦沈没事件への疑問" - 'satoko1' 2010/05/28 *이메일 주소: email@example.com http://peacephilosophy.blogspot.com/2010/05/very-little-has-reported-in-english-on.html 18]"No base stories of Korea" http://nobasestorieskorea.blogspot.com/ 19]"Organizing Notes" - Bruce Gagnon http://space4peace.blogspot.com/search?q=navy+ship 샘플 영어 편지들 (English letters sent to Washington, D.C.): 20]To U.S. Senate "미 의회와 행정부로 보낸 천안함 질의서 - 사람사는 세상 시애틀" http://www.seoprise.com/board/view.php?uid=150975&table=seoprise_12 21]To Obama "오바마 미 대통령에게 보낸 편지-사람세상 시애틀" http://www.seoprise.com/board/view.php?uid=150413&table=seoprise_12 Sample Questions on the Cheonan Incident, published on 2010/06/04 "[Cheonan Warship Report2] Eight Questions Needing Answers on the Investigation of the Sunken Naval Corvette Cheonan Question 1. Had been really a torpedo-induced water column? Question 2. No such severe injuries evident of a torpedo explosion found in the bodies of survivors and deceased soldiers Question 3. Is it true that there is no TOD[Thermal Observation Device] recordings from the early stage of the Cheonan incident? Question 4. There are no severe damages evident of an explosion on the severed surface, on the bottom of the ship and in the interior of the hull. Question 5. Why the military concealed the finding and refloating of the gas turbine room? And why did they omit the investigation of the gas turbine room from investigating? Question 6. Were the oxidized aluminum substances, not gun powder, evident of an explosion? Question 7. What is the profile of the YONO class submarine? Is it understandable that the submarine had not been followed for several days by the ROK[Republic of Korea] and the U.S. surveillance? Question 8. Why couldn't a torpedo launch be detected? This document summarizes the questions raised by the Center for Peace and Disarmament of People's Solidarity for Perspiratory[Participatory] Democracy (PSPD) on the report released on May 20, 2010 by the joint civilian-military investigation group (JIG) under the Ministry of Defense on the cause of sinking of the naval warship Cheonan." ____________________________________________________________________________ "[Cheonan Warship Report3] Six Problems on the Investigation Process of the Cheonan Sinking Problem1. The military not disclosing and censoring basic information on the Cheonan vessel Problem2. Hiding of the TOD video-recordings of the Cheonan breaking into half and sinking and changing of words Problem3. Imposing political and legal measures and restrictions against ordinary citizens raising doubts Problem4. The JIG practically excluding civilians Problem5. The JIG that limited investigative efforts by civilian members Problem6. Unknown roles of the foreign investigators" The following to-numbered links have documents written in Japanese: 次のからは日本語で書かれています。: 1]"米国物理学教授、「天安艦は座礁か衝突で沈没」 「合調団発表のとおりなら天安艦はばらばらになるはず」; 韓国 民・軍合同調査団 天安艦 沈没事件 調査結果の全文; 【天安号沈没事件の調査結果と発表に対する記者会見文】" http://cybervisionz.jugem.jp/?eid=160#sequel 2]"米国物理学教授、「天安艦は座礁か衝突で沈没」 「合調団発表のとおりなら天安艦はばらばらになるはず」; 『爆発はなかった 魚雷もなかった』-天安号沈没事件民間調査員の訴え-; 爆発はなかった 魚雷もなかった" http://cybervisionz.jugem.jp/?day=20100531 3]"『爆発はなかった 魚雷もなかった』-天安号沈没事件民間調査員の訴え-" http://cybervisionz.jugem.jp/?eid=159 4]"「天安」沈没の調査結果（邦訳）" http://jcphata.blog26.fc2.com/blog-entry-1900.html 5]"過ぎたるは及ばざるが如し" http://jcphata.blog26.fc2.com/blog-entry-1902.html 6]"韓国の「運動圏」が天安号沈没事件に対する政府発表を批判" http://pegasus1.blog.so-net.ne.jp/2010-05-23 7]"米国物理学教授、「天安艦は座礁か衝突で沈没」 合調団発表のとおりなら天安艦はばらばらになるはず」" - ホン・ソンマン記者 2010/05/28 http://www.labornetjp.org/worldnews/korea/knews/00_2010/1275031901749Staff (한글 原文) "미국 대학 교수, “천안함, 좌초나 충돌로 침몰” “합조단 발표대로라면 천안함은 갈기갈기 찢어져야”" - 홍석만 기자 2010/05/28 http://www.newscham.net/news/view.php?board=news&nid=56991 8]"韓国哨戒艦が沈没した件で、韓国国会で推薦された専門家がクリントン国務長官に宛てた手紙" http://am6.jp/azjXCZ 9]"爆発はなかった 魚雷もなかった There was no Explosion. There was No Torpedo." http://www.anatakara.com/petition/no-explosion-no-torpedo.html http://blog.goo.ne.jp/kark530/ 10]"韓国軍艦「天安」沈没の深層" http://tanakanews.com/100507korea.htm in Chinese (중국어): 1]"韩国民间团体对“天安舰”结果提出8大疑点" 2010年06月05 http://news.sina.com.cn/o/2010-06-05/083520416764.shtml 2]"ZT:最新证据显示：“天安”号事件是韩国自摆乌龙" http://top.jschina.com.cn/viewthread.php?tid=114994&extra=page%3D1&sid=df2A7D 3]"因质疑“天安”号调查结果 一调查团成员、一议员被起诉" 2010年06月04日 http://world.people.com.cn/GB/1029/42354/11779448.html 4]"不是朝鲜鱼雷！！!韩国内被封杀的调查结论 （转）" http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kz=787353971 http://tieba.baidu.com/f?ct=335544320&lm=0&rn=30&tn=postBrowserN&sc=0&z=787353971&pn=0&word=%C0%CF%BA%D3%BF%DA&rs1=2 in Vietnamese (베트남어 번역본): "Thư của nhà điều tra hàng hải dân sự S.C.Shin" http://ttvnol.com/forum/quansu/1245199/trang-34.ttvn?v=5unlnkqg7fegkjmjael6 in English, but in the Netherlands: "There was no Explosion. There was No Torpedo." http://eurabia.blogse.nl/log/worldnews/ ◐ 신문 기자 메일 주소: 워싱턴 포스트(The Washington Post)지 신문 기자 제프 스타인(Jeff Stein): firstname.lastname@example.org 뉴욕 타임스지 한인 기자 최상헌(Choe Sang-Hun): http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/reference/timestopics/people/c/choe_sanghun/index.html?inline=nyt-per 뉴욕 타임스(The New York Times)지 신문 기자: http://www.nytimes.com/gst/emailus.html 웨인 맫슨 보고서 기자:http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/contact 온라인 저널: email@example.com ◐ 힐러리 대통령 선거운동 이메일 주소: firstname.lastname@example.org "오바마(email@example.com)에게 메일을 ..... 한국 국민들이 천안함사건에 관해 어떤 생각을 가지고 있는지를, 진실이 무엇인지를 각자 메일로 보내자. 영어는 좀 서툴러도 괜찮다. 지금 오바마를 포함한 미국정부가 무슨 짓을 하고 있는지를 설명해 주자. 메일을 보내자. 오바마와 힐러리에게 그들의 바보짓을 알리자." http://www.seoprise.com/board/view.php?uid=149320&table=seoprise_12&start=440 "보내고 싶은데 영어가 조금 떨리네"?→한글을 영어로 자동 번역하기 링크: http://www.google.co.kr/language_tools?hl=ko ("사람사는 세상을 위한 시애틀 모임과 연대한 단체들은 이미 엄청난 언론홍보를 하였습니다. 미국내 2천여 기자들에게 두차례의 이메일을 보낸데다 상원의원, 하원의원, 주지사, 국무성, 백악관, 수십군데의 언론사 등에 합조단의 발표는 과학적으로 거짓이라는 홍보물과 자료들을 보냈습니다. 사람사는 세상 워싱턴에서는 백악관 앞에서 이곳 월요일에 시위도 계획하고 있습니다. 당장 언론에 실리지는 않는다해도 진실이 무엇인지 크게 알린 계기가 될 것입니다." 2010/05/31 http://bbs1.agora.media.daum.net/gaia/do/debate/read?bbsId=D003&articleId=3671969&hisBbsId=best&pageIndex=1&sortKey=&limitDate=-30&lastLimitDate) ↑↓↑↓↑↓↑↓↑↓↑↓↑↓↑↓↑↓↑↓↑↓↑↓↑↓↑↓↑↓↑↓↑↓↑↓↑↓↑↓↑↓↑↓↑↓↑↓↑↓↑↓↑↓↑↓↑↓↑ ★한글메일로도 세계언론에◇좌초면 사기죄【어뢰면 직무유기죄 *손쉽게 한글 메일로도 세계언론에 알릴 수 있는 방법→주한 외국대사관에 한글 이메일 보내기 (각 대사관에 한글 읽어 볼 수 있는 사람 있음.) (Please send your messages to the Ambassadors of the foreign embassies in Korea:) ◐ 주한 외국대사관 이메일 주소: 중국 대사관: firstname.lastname@example.org (주북한 중국대사관: email@example.com) 미국 대사관: IRCSeoul@state.gov, SeoulInfo@state.gov 러시아 대사관: firstname.lastname@example.org 스웨덴 대사관: email@example.com 베네수엘라 대사관: firstname.lastname@example.org 브라질 대사관: email@example.com 인도 대사관: firstname.lastname@example.org 프랑스 대사관: email@example.com 독일 대사관: firstname.lastname@example.org 네덜란드 대사관: email@example.com 이탈리아 대사관: firstname.lastname@example.org 스페인 대사관: email@example.com 영국 대사관: firstname.lastname@example.org 호주 대사관: email@example.com 일본 대사관: firstname.lastname@example.org (반기문 유엔 사무총장: email@example.com; @secgen http://twitter.com/secgen) 그 외의 세계 각 나라 주한 외국대사관들의 이메일 주소 링크 → http://www.embassiesabroad.com/embassies-in/SouthKorea http://www.visahq.com/embassy_row.php 주한 외국대사관 이메일 리스트: IRCSeoul@state.gov, firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com, Seoul@diplobel.org, firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com, embajadaCR@ecostarica.or.kr, firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org, Hondukor@Elim.Net, email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com, Laose@ppp.kornet.net, firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com ★▶드디어 터졌다!미국 최대 신문이 천안함 의혹 보도 드디어 미국에서 (그러니 아마도 세계에서) 가장 영향력이 세고 큰 주류 신문지인 워싱턴 포스트지가 천안함 의혹에 대해 관심을 보이기 시작했습니다. (물론, 영향력상 최대 신문지는 하나 더 있죠 - 뉴욕 타임스지는 아직 조용) 워싱턴 포스트지는 워터게이트 사건(Watergate scandal)을 보도해서 압도적으로 당선된 닉슨 대통령을 임기도 못 채우고 쫓아낸바있는 바로 그 신문사 입니다. 이제는 혹시 사기꾼나라로 국제적 망신을 당하기 보다는 국민-수준높은 나라로 국제적 대 칭송을 받읍시다 - 인터넷 초강국인 대한민국의 네티즌들이 인터넷 상에서 멋진 민주적 활약을 벌이므로서, 선진국이라는 나라의 미국국민, 미국국회, 미국언론들이 병신같이 자기나라 대통령(부시)에게 사기당해 전쟁을 일으킨 것 보다는 오히려 '대한민국쪽 국민-수준이 더 높았다'라고. 워싱턴 포스트지의 제프 스타인 Jeff Stein 기자 자신이 쓴 기사 글의 제목은 "Analysts question Korea torpedo incident" 입니다. (제목은 보통 글을 요약하니까 아마 제목이 중요할 수도 있겠죠?) Analysts = 분석가들, 전문 분석가들(은) question = 의심하다, 의문을 갖다; 이의를 제기하다 Korea torpedo incident = 한국 어뢰 사건(을) (출처: http://endic.naver.com/enkrEntry.nhn?entryId=9c784ab59eed4877a768a04d3bab1089&query=question) (한글을 모르고 아직 정보를 많이 못 받은 상태에서) 제프 스타인 기자는 공평하게 보도하기위해 여러 출처에서 주장하는 말들을 이 기사에 인용하고 있지만, 어떤 특정한 결론을 내리지는 않고있습니다. 자타가 인정하는 사실, '워싱턴 포스트지가 미국에서 (그러니 아마도 세계에서) 가장 영향력이 쎈 주류 신문지 중 하나'라는 뜻은, 기사를 쓴 워싱턴 포스트지의 제프 스타인 기자 자신 말고도 (영향력을 가지고 있는 언론인들과 미국의 수도, 워싱턴에 사는 정치인들은 물론) 다른 경쟁 신문회사 기자들도 이 워싱턴 포스트지 인터넷 주소에 와서 기사와 댓글들을 본다는 말입니다. 다른 경쟁 신문회사 기자들이 이런 특종감 정보를 혹 댓글에서 보고 가만있을까요? - 제프 스타인 기자도 그걸아니까 가만있으면 자기만 손해. (그래서 영향력을 발휘합니다.) 여러분, 도움이 됩니다 - 가서 좀 영어로 댓글을 올려주세요. 워싱턴 포스트지의 제프 스타인 Jeff Stein 기자(이메일 주소 firstname.lastname@example.org)에게 정보를 보내 주십시오. 또, 워싱턴 포스트지의 아래의 링크에 가시면, 간단한 등록후(sign in을 클릭), 댓글도 올리실 수 있습니다(영어로). http://blog.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2010/05/asian_analysts_question_korea_torpedo_incident.html 영어로된-[천안함 사건]에 대해 의혹을 제시하는-기사가 이제 21개를 넘어서기 시작했습니다. 외국인들에게 보여주고 도대체 그들은 어떻게 생각하는지 한번 물어봅시다. 서로 정보를 공유하는 세계여론을, 열린 인터넷에서 한번 만들어 봅시다. (세계가 알고 있다는 것을 알게되면 어떻게 될까요? ↔ [천안함 사건] 이명박을 압박할 수 있는 방법)
dogbertHello all, First of all, look at the propeller blades: http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-55107-2.html As the former JIG-member Mr. S,C. Shin mentioned, a grounding is very likely. There is no other explanation for the badly damaged propeller blades for me. And the surface of the blades is very clean in the outer areas. This indicates it went through the ground for a long time. What nobody mentioned so far: What happened to the acoustic signature, when the blades were so heavily damaged? When the Cheonan finally got free, from that time it could have been identified as an "intruding enemy ship" (and perhaps taking revenge for the sinking of a north korean navy vessel 4 month before). Friendly fire is very likely for me. It was dark and perhaps some parts of the crew went already aboard when grounded, while others were busy controlling the propulsion system. Now have a look on the inventary of the South Korean Navy, especialy the submarines! It operates 3 german type 214 submarines (Son Won-il, Jung Ji, An Jung-geun), made by Hyundai Heavy Industries and equipped with the state-of-the-art propulsion system, nearly invisible due to the SPHINX-D Radar System, and equipped with the most modern german torpedo system DM2-A4 (very quite). The "german torpedo" theorie was skipped, when the torpedo parts were found on May 15th, indicating to a north korean torpedo. Wihout these parts, the South Korean Navy would have been in big trouble! So please take into account the possibility of "Friendly Fire" by the own Navy (and faking evidence to cover it). Please verify the position of the South Korean submarines at the time of the incident. (The JIG obviously did not.) Type 214 submarine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_214_submarine http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-Boot-Klasse_214 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/USS_Nimitz_%28CVN_68%29_%26_ROKS_Son_Won-il_%28SS_072%29_in_Busan%2C_ROK.jpg Torpedo DM2-A4: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DM2A4 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/DM2A4_Seehecht http://www.atlas-elektronik.com/typo3/index.php?id=1926&L=3 http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WTGER_PostWWII.htm